S-E T62u & DBA-10 Bluetooth adapter

[Bob Walker]

I'm in Dallas - still TDMA. My T62u does not recognize my DBA-10 at all,
although I've heard from people in GSM markets who say they work. No one at
Cingular has been able to tell me whether I will be able to use the
Bluetooth adapter when our system switches to GSM.

Actually I don't understand why the network has any impact on my phone
communicating with a device physically connected to it, but then there are
many things I don't understand.

When GSM is activated will there be a software change in my GAIT phone that
will allow communication with the DBA-10? Or will something else change
that will enable it? Or am I just out of luck?

I have also heard that Cingular will not offer GPRS on their GAIT phones.
Can anyone verify that?

[Alan]

I have a T62u and have used GPRS. GPRS became available when GSM was
enaabled. You can tell what type of connection you have be enabling the
hidden menus. Type *777* and press call, then cancel the call. You will see
a T or G (or, if analog, nothing) appear next to the signal strength
indicator. While offline, you can press the volume control, and you will get
a display of certain settings. If it says GPRS not permitted, then you need
to call Cingular to have it enabled. Also, there are additional menus that
appear under Networks and Extras. Don't play with the debug feature.


"Bob Walker" > wrote in message
.com...
> I'm in Dallas - still TDMA. My T62u does not recognize my DBA-10 at all,
> although I've heard from people in GSM markets who say they work. No one
at
> Cingular has been able to tell me whether I will be able to use the
> Bluetooth adapter when our system switches to GSM.
>
> Actually I don't understand why the network has any impact on my phone
> communicating with a device physically connected to it, but then there are
> many things I don't understand.
>
> When GSM is activated will there be a software change in my GAIT phone
that
> will allow communication with the DBA-10? Or will something else change
> that will enable it? Or am I just out of luck?
>
> I have also heard that Cingular will not offer GPRS on their GAIT phones.
> Can anyone verify that?
>
>

[bones boy]

I don't think Cingular will enable GPRS in a TDMA market (even on a
GAIT phone). Alan is that what they did for you?

If so, do you have CSD *and* GPRS?

Bob, SonyEricsson has told me that the "smartback" accessory will
*never * be available for T62u. I imagine that is what you're talking
about...



On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:58:30 -0400, "Alan" > wrote:

>I have a T62u and have used GPRS. GPRS became available when GSM was
>enaabled. You can tell what type of connection you have be enabling the
>hidden menus. Type *777* and press call, then cancel the call. You will see
>a T or G (or, if analog, nothing) appear next to the signal strength
>indicator. While offline, you can press the volume control, and you will get
>a display of certain settings. If it says GPRS not permitted, then you need
>to call Cingular to have it enabled. Also, there are additional menus that
>appear under Networks and Extras. Don't play with the debug feature.
>
>
>"Bob Walker" > wrote in message
.com...
>> I'm in Dallas - still TDMA. My T62u does not recognize my DBA-10 at all,
>> although I've heard from people in GSM markets who say they work. No one
>at
>> Cingular has been able to tell me whether I will be able to use the
>> Bluetooth adapter when our system switches to GSM.
>>
>> Actually I don't understand why the network has any impact on my phone
>> communicating with a device physically connected to it, but then there are
>> many things I don't understand.
>>
>> When GSM is activated will there be a software change in my GAIT phone
>that
>> will allow communication with the DBA-10? Or will something else change
>> that will enable it? Or am I just out of luck?
>>
>> I have also heard that Cingular will not offer GPRS on their GAIT phones.
>> Can anyone verify that?
>>
>>
>

[Alan]

The first question is already answered in my original post. I believe that
CSD is also active, as the phone (via SIM) can automatically choose GSM for
data when GPRS is not available.


"bones boy" > wrote in message
...
> I don't think Cingular will enable GPRS in a TDMA market (even on a
> GAIT phone). Alan is that what they did for you?
>
> If so, do you have CSD *and* GPRS?
>
> Bob, SonyEricsson has told me that the "smartback" accessory will
> *never * be available for T62u. I imagine that is what you're talking
> about...
>
>
>
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:58:30 -0400, "Alan" > wrote:
>
> >I have a T62u and have used GPRS. GPRS became available when GSM was
> >enaabled. You can tell what type of connection you have be enabling the
> >hidden menus. Type *777* and press call, then cancel the call. You will
see
> >a T or G (or, if analog, nothing) appear next to the signal strength
> >indicator. While offline, you can press the volume control, and you will
get
> >a display of certain settings. If it says GPRS not permitted, then you
need
> >to call Cingular to have it enabled. Also, there are additional menus
that
> >appear under Networks and Extras. Don't play with the debug feature.
> >
> >
> >"Bob Walker" > wrote in message
> .com...
> >> I'm in Dallas - still TDMA. My T62u does not recognize my DBA-10 at
all,
> >> although I've heard from people in GSM markets who say they work. No
one
> >at
> >> Cingular has been able to tell me whether I will be able to use the
> >> Bluetooth adapter when our system switches to GSM.
> >>
> >> Actually I don't understand why the network has any impact on my phone
> >> communicating with a device physically connected to it, but then there
are
> >> many things I don't understand.
> >>
> >> When GSM is activated will there be a software change in my GAIT phone
> >that
> >> will allow communication with the DBA-10? Or will something else
change
> >> that will enable it? Or am I just out of luck?
> >>
> >> I have also heard that Cingular will not offer GPRS on their GAIT
phones.
> >> Can anyone verify that?
> >>
> >>
> >
>

[Bob Walker]

"bones boy" > wrote in message
...
> I don't think Cingular will enable GPRS in a TDMA market (even on a
> GAIT phone). Alan is that what they did for you?
>
> If so, do you have CSD *and* GPRS?
>

I don't expect to have GPRS until GSM is activated. Estimated date for
Dallas is September. I want to know whether the Bluetooth adapter I have
will work with my phone after that. It appears you didn't read my post
carefully.


> Bob, SonyEricsson has told me that the "smartback" accessory will
> *never * be available for T62u. I imagine that is what you're talking
> about...
>

I have Ericsson's DBA-10 which is a Bluetooth adapter that plugs into the
bottom of the phone. S-E support has confirmed it is compatible with the
T62u. Smartback and DBA-10 are not the same thing.

>
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:58:30 -0400, "Alan" > wrote:
>
> >I have a T62u and have used GPRS. GPRS became available when GSM was
> >enaabled. You can tell what type of connection you have be enabling the
> >hidden menus. Type *777* and press call, then cancel the call. You will
see
> >a T or G (or, if analog, nothing) appear next to the signal strength
> >indicator. While offline, you can press the volume control, and you will
get
> >a display of certain settings. If it says GPRS not permitted, then you
need
> >to call Cingular to have it enabled. Also, there are additional menus
that
> >appear under Networks and Extras. Don't play with the debug feature.
> >
> >
> >"Bob Walker" > wrote in message
> .com...
> >> I'm in Dallas - still TDMA. My T62u does not recognize my DBA-10 at
all,
> >> although I've heard from people in GSM markets who say they work. No
one
> >at
> >> Cingular has been able to tell me whether I will be able to use the
> >> Bluetooth adapter when our system switches to GSM.
> >>
> >> Actually I don't understand why the network has any impact on my phone
> >> communicating with a device physically connected to it, but then there
are
> >> many things I don't understand.
> >>
> >> When GSM is activated will there be a software change in my GAIT phone
> >that
> >> will allow communication with the DBA-10? Or will something else
change
> >> that will enable it? Or am I just out of luck?
> >>
> >> I have also heard that Cingular will not offer GPRS on their GAIT
phones.
> >> Can anyone verify that?
> >>
> >>
> >
>

[Dave Gigante]

Alan, can you be a little bit clearer? I'm asking if your Cingular
account is provisioned for both CSD (known by Cingular as Wireless
Internet, uses your minutes for data) as well as GPRS (known by Cingular
as Wireless Internet Express, HIGH SPEED, costs on a per MB basis).

I don't believe that question is answered anywhere in your posts. The
reason I'm asking is because I would like to get this on my account, as
I live in a Cingular TDMA area (where they have said they can't
provision my account for high speed data) but spend most of my time in
Cingular (or roaming partners') GSM areas.

Just because you have wireless data working when you are in a GSM area
does not mean you have GPRS. My Wireless Internet works just fine in
most GSM areas but it's the low speed "switched data" variety. Just
making sure you understand this.

Thanks.



"Alan" > wrote in article
>:
> The first question is already answered in my original post. I believe that
> CSD is also active, as the phone (via SIM) can automatically choose GSM for
> data when GPRS is not available.
>
>>

[posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

[Alan]

Sorry, I didn't understand 100%. It may depend on the plan you buy. I use
the net rarely, so I am on a pay-as-you-go plan (no monthly fee, but $.06/kb
plus air time). This plan uses GPRS (9600) as the primary connection. An
indicator on the phone displays if the phone is in GPRS range (above the
signal bars). I beleive I have seen settings in the phone that indicate it
would switch over to TDMA if GPRS is not available. The protocol stack in
the hidden menu has various settings that indicate what priority should be
given to GPRS and TDMA. You can also disable SID/SOC, whatever they are.

HTH

"Dave Gigante" > wrote in message
...
> Alan, can you be a little bit clearer? I'm asking if your Cingular
> account is provisioned for both CSD (known by Cingular as Wireless
> Internet, uses your minutes for data) as well as GPRS (known by Cingular
> as Wireless Internet Express, HIGH SPEED, costs on a per MB basis).
>
> I don't believe that question is answered anywhere in your posts. The
> reason I'm asking is because I would like to get this on my account, as
> I live in a Cingular TDMA area (where they have said they can't
> provision my account for high speed data) but spend most of my time in
> Cingular (or roaming partners') GSM areas.
>
> Just because you have wireless data working when you are in a GSM area
> does not mean you have GPRS. My Wireless Internet works just fine in
> most GSM areas but it's the low speed "switched data" variety. Just
> making sure you understand this.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> "Alan" > wrote in article
> >:
> > The first question is already answered in my original post. I believe
that
> > CSD is also active, as the phone (via SIM) can automatically choose GSM
for
> > data when GPRS is not available.
> >
> >>
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

[Robert Steinmetz]

Bob Walker wrote:

>I'm in Dallas - still TDMA. My T62u does not recognize my DBA-10 at all,
>although I've heard from people in GSM markets who say they work. No one at
>Cingular has been able to tell me whether I will be able to use the
>Bluetooth adapter when our system switches to GSM.
>
>
I'm in New Orelans on TDMA and I have a DBA-10 on my T62u. It seems to
work fine. I use my palm to access the internet through it and I use a
bluetooth headphone. I have a bluetooth CF card for my notebook but have
not yet tried to use it, with the phone, I can sync my palm through it.
It works pretty well. I just followed the instructions that came with
the DBA-10 and it was recognized right away. You do need to turn the
phone on with the DBA-10 installed. After reading problems others had, I
was surprised that it worked so easily, at least for me.

[Bob Walker]

"Dave Gigante" > wrote in message
...
> Bob, this part of the post (relating to GPRS and stuff) was directed to
> Alan, not you. I try to read as carefully as possible. As far as the
> DBA-10, I did not know this would work with the t62u. My apologies.
>

The DBA-10 is a different device, but as far as its working with the T62u,
I'm just going on the basis of information from Ericsson support and another
user. It doesn't work with mine so far. That's the mystery I'm trying to
solve.

I didn't mean to sound rude; probably just got worked up watching the John
Navas/Chris(ct) battle. ;-)

> "Bob Walker" > wrote in article
> >:
> >
> > "bones boy" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I don't think Cingular will enable GPRS in a TDMA market (even on a
> > > GAIT phone). Alan is that what they did for you?
> > >
> > > If so, do you have CSD *and* GPRS?
> > >
> >
> > I don't expect to have GPRS until GSM is activated. Estimated date for
> > Dallas is September. I want to know whether the Bluetooth adapter I
have
> > will work with my phone after that. It appears you didn't read my post
> > carefully.
> >
> >
> > > Bob, SonyEricsson has told me that the "smartback" accessory will
> > > *never * be available for T62u. I imagine that is what you're talking
> > > about...
> > >
> >
> > I have Ericsson's DBA-10 which is a Bluetooth adapter that plugs into
the
> > bottom of the phone. S-E support has confirmed it is compatible with
the
> > T62u. Smartback and DBA-10 are not the same thing.
> >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:58:30 -0400, "Alan" > wrote:
> > >
> > > >I have a T62u and have used GPRS. GPRS became available when GSM was
> > > >enaabled. You can tell what type of connection you have be enabling
the
> > > >hidden menus. Type *777* and press call, then cancel the call. You
will
> > see
> > > >a T or G (or, if analog, nothing) appear next to the signal strength
> > > >indicator. While offline, you can press the volume control, and you
will
> > get
> > > >a display of certain settings. If it says GPRS not permitted, then
you
> > need
> > > >to call Cingular to have it enabled. Also, there are additional menus
> > that
> > > >appear under Networks and Extras. Don't play with the debug feature.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >"Bob Walker" > wrote in message
> > > .com...
> > > >> I'm in Dallas - still TDMA. My T62u does not recognize my DBA-10
at
> > all,
> > > >> although I've heard from people in GSM markets who say they work.
No
> > one
> > > >at
> > > >> Cingular has been able to tell me whether I will be able to use the
> > > >> Bluetooth adapter when our system switches to GSM.
> > > >>
> > > >> Actually I don't understand why the network has any impact on my
phone
> > > >> communicating with a device physically connected to it, but then
there
> > are
> > > >> many things I don't understand.
> > > >>
> > > >> When GSM is activated will there be a software change in my GAIT
phone
> > > >that
> > > >> will allow communication with the DBA-10? Or will something else
> > change
> > > >> that will enable it? Or am I just out of luck?
> > > >>
> > > >> I have also heard that Cingular will not offer GPRS on their GAIT
> > phones.
> > > >> Can anyone verify that?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

[Bob Walker]

"Robert Steinmetz" > wrote in message
...
> Bob Walker wrote:
>
> >I'm in Dallas - still TDMA. My T62u does not recognize my DBA-10 at all,
> >although I've heard from people in GSM markets who say they work. No one
at
> >Cingular has been able to tell me whether I will be able to use the
> >Bluetooth adapter when our system switches to GSM.
> >
> >
> I'm in New Orelans on TDMA and I have a DBA-10 on my T62u. It seems to
> work fine. I use my palm to access the internet through it and I use a
> bluetooth headphone. I have a bluetooth CF card for my notebook but have
> not yet tried to use it, with the phone, I can sync my palm through it.
> It works pretty well. I just followed the instructions that came with
> the DBA-10 and it was recognized right away. You do need to turn the
> phone on with the DBA-10 installed. After reading problems others had, I
> was surprised that it worked so easily, at least for me.
>
>
>
That's encouraging. I'll forward this information to Cingular to see
whether they can figure out what's different about your situation and mine,
other than geography. There may be a software or firmware difference in the
phones. If they can tell me how to check that I will contact you via
e-mail. BTW, what phone setup did you use in your Palm (is it a
Tungsten-T?), since they don't list the T62u?
>
>