Re: HEY NOKIA ! when ya gonna listen re Bluetooth

[Axel Van Kampen]

"H1Dunc" > wrote in message
u...
> As with thousands of others who bought Nokia 'bluetooth' phones believing
> that nokia had embraced the open standard I am ****ed of that Nokia seems
> unable or unwilling to address the issue.

What issue? My 6310i works perfectly with both headsets and my iPaq.

Me thinks you have a faulty unit.

[Axel Van Kampen]

"Rudi Brochs" > wrote in message
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>
> "Brian Watson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > Nokia needs to see the writing on the wall-people will ne deserting an
> > > otherwise good cellular manufacturer in droves.
> >
> > Best alternative?
>
> Sony Ericsson T610, way ahead of Nokia in everything.

Ericsson? Thats a laugh! Ericsson is not even a serious competitor as far as
mobles go.

[Richard Colton]

"Axel Van Kampen" > wrote in message
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> "Rudi Brochs" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Brian Watson" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > > Nokia needs to see the writing on the wall-people will ne deserting
an
> > > > otherwise good cellular manufacturer in droves.
> > >
> > > Best alternative?
> >
> > Sony Ericsson T610, way ahead of Nokia in everything.
>
> Ericsson? Thats a laugh! Ericsson is not even a serious competitor as far
as
> mobles go.
>
Instead of brand bashing, perhaps you'd like to sensibly justify your
statement? At least when Ericsson build a phone to utilise open standards
(Bluetooth anyone?), it's fully compliant, and not their own version that
doesn't seem to like anything else not produced by them. Nokia in this
respect are almost as bad as M$. In general, Ericsson phones are much
better featured, but seem to get "bashed" because juvenile muppets put the
ability to utilise crappy looking fashion fascias above genuine features
that actually work.

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[Richard Colton]

"Axel Van Kampen" > wrote in message
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> "Richard Colton" > wrote in
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> >
> > "Axel Van Kampen" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Rudi Brochs" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "Brian Watson" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > > Nokia needs to see the writing on the wall-people will ne
> deserting
> > an
> > > > > > otherwise good cellular manufacturer in droves.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best alternative?
> > > >
> > > > Sony Ericsson T610, way ahead of Nokia in everything.
> > >
> > > Ericsson? Thats a laugh! Ericsson is not even a serious competitor as
> far
> > as
> > > mobles go.
> > >
> > Instead of brand bashing, perhaps you'd like to sensibly justify your
> > statement?
>
> Sure. Nokia sell far more phones than Ericsson (at least here they do,
Nokia
> is almost the industry standard).

And Microshaft sell more operating systems than anyone else, making them the
industry standard, but certainly not the best.

>
> At least when Ericsson build a phone to utilise open standards
> > (Bluetooth anyone?), it's fully compliant, and not their own version
that
> > doesn't seem to like anything else not produced by them. Nokia in this
> > respect are almost as bad as M$.
>
> Hmm. I never had a problem connecting to either headsets or my iPaq with
the
> Nokia.

You're one of the lucky few then, at least as far as headsets go. Also, WTF
are Nokia playing at introducing new business class handsets without any
Bluetooth capability?

>
> In general, Ericsson phones are much
> > better featured, but seem to get "bashed" because juvenile muppets put
the
> > ability to utilise crappy looking fashion fascias above genuine features
> > that actually work.
>
> I've never liked the Ericsson for their usabiliy (or lack thereof). They
> have always seemed to be one step behind Nokia.
> But each to their own I guess.
> Just me personally, I would never buy an Ericsson.
>

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but on the whole Ericsson
handsets are better featured than the equivalent Nokia, and considerably
more stable. As far as usability goes, you're absolutely right, it is
personal preference. The one area that Nokia used to excel was SMS T9
input, but the new T610 puts all current Nokia's to shame in that respect,
so take your pick.


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[Axel Van Kampen]

"Richard Colton" > wrote in message
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> > > "Axel Van Kampen" > wrote in message
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> > > > "Rudi Brochs" > wrote in message
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> > > > >
> > > > > "Brian Watson" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > > Nokia needs to see the writing on the wall-people will ne
> > deserting
> > > an
> > > > > > > otherwise good cellular manufacturer in droves.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best alternative?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sony Ericsson T610, way ahead of Nokia in everything.
> > > >
> > > > Ericsson? Thats a laugh! Ericsson is not even a serious competitor
as
> > far
> > > as
> > > > mobles go.
> > > >
> > > Instead of brand bashing, perhaps you'd like to sensibly justify your
> > > statement?
> >
> > Sure. Nokia sell far more phones than Ericsson (at least here they do,
> Nokia
> > is almost the industry standard).
>
> And Microshaft sell more operating systems than anyone else, making them
the
> industry standard, but certainly not the best.

I don't have a problem with Microsoft apps. They seem to work fine for me. I
don't know anything that is better for me.

> > At least when Ericsson build a phone to utilise open standards
> > > (Bluetooth anyone?), it's fully compliant, and not their own version
> that
> > > doesn't seem to like anything else not produced by them. Nokia in
this
> > > respect are almost as bad as M$.
> >
> > Hmm. I never had a problem connecting to either headsets or my iPaq with
> the
> > Nokia.
>
> You're one of the lucky few then, at least as far as headsets go.

I bought 4 Bluetooth headsets in Singapore 3 weeks ago for people that I
know and everyone of them work fine.

Also, WTF
> are Nokia playing at introducing new business class handsets without any
> Bluetooth capability?

Don't know anything about that.

>
> >
> > In general, Ericsson phones are much
> > > better featured, but seem to get "bashed" because juvenile muppets put
> the
> > > ability to utilise crappy looking fashion fascias above genuine
features
> > > that actually work.
> >
> > I've never liked the Ericsson for their usabiliy (or lack thereof). They
> > have always seemed to be one step behind Nokia.
> > But each to their own I guess.
> > Just me personally, I would never buy an Ericsson.
> >
>
> Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but on the whole Ericsson
> handsets are better featured than the equivalent Nokia, and considerably
> more stable. As far as usability goes, you're absolutely right, it is
> personal preference. The one area that Nokia used to excel was SMS T9
> input, but the new T610 puts all current Nokia's to shame in that respect,
> so take your pick.

I did. I stick with Nokia because they are superior as far as I'm concerned.
The day Ericsson come up with something to match the Nokia I might look at
them but only then.

[Richard Colton]

"Axel Van Kampen" > wrote in message
...
>
> > Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but on the whole
Ericsson
> > handsets are better featured than the equivalent Nokia, and considerably
> > more stable. As far as usability goes, you're absolutely right, it is
> > personal preference. The one area that Nokia used to excel was SMS T9
> > input, but the new T610 puts all current Nokia's to shame in that
respect,
> > so take your pick.
>
> I did. I stick with Nokia because they are superior as far as I'm
concerned.
> The day Ericsson come up with something to match the Nokia I might look at
> them but only then.
>

Ericsson (and others) have already brought out superior products, but people
tend to get used to a product (Nokia in this case) and seem to have to take
the irrational "bash everything else" approach. As you said before though,
everything comes down to personal opinion with what you like & dislike, but
doesn't factor when comparing features.

HTH

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[Mike Dann]

The original Post was complaining about the 6310 NOT the 6310i. The sender
was trying to make a point about the fact that the 6310i firmware has been
updated with better bluetooth support, whereas the 6310 has not. Plenty of
people (myself included!) bought the 6310 because of the functions -
bluetooth being one of them. Unfortunately the 6310 does not work with
virtual serial ports.

It looks like Nokia doesn't give a s**t about the 6310.

Mike.



"Richard Colton" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Axel Van Kampen" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > > Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but on the whole
> Ericsson
> > > handsets are better featured than the equivalent Nokia, and
considerably
> > > more stable. As far as usability goes, you're absolutely right, it is
> > > personal preference. The one area that Nokia used to excel was SMS T9
> > > input, but the new T610 puts all current Nokia's to shame in that
> respect,
> > > so take your pick.
> >
> > I did. I stick with Nokia because they are superior as far as I'm
> concerned.
> > The day Ericsson come up with something to match the Nokia I might look
at
> > them but only then.
> >
>
> Ericsson (and others) have already brought out superior products, but
people
> tend to get used to a product (Nokia in this case) and seem to have to
take
> the irrational "bash everything else" approach. As you said before
though,
> everything comes down to personal opinion with what you like & dislike,
but
> doesn't factor when comparing features.
>
> HTH
>
> --
> >>> Unlock Your Phone's Potential <<<
> >>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<<
>
>

[H1Dunc]

Thank you Mike- Seems I cann't shame Nokia into doing anything about it
either because they probably didn't get the point too.

It does **** me though- otherwise the 6310 (not i) is a good phone

"Mike Dann" > wrote in message
...
> The original Post was complaining about the 6310 NOT the 6310i. The
sender
> was trying to make a point about the fact that the 6310i firmware has been
> updated with better bluetooth support, whereas the 6310 has not. Plenty
of
> people (myself included!) bought the 6310 because of the functions -
> bluetooth being one of them. Unfortunately the 6310 does not work with
> virtual serial ports.
>
> It looks like Nokia doesn't give a s**t about the 6310.
>
> Mike.
>
>
>
> "Richard Colton" > wrote in
message
> ...
> >
> > "Axel Van Kampen" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > > Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but on the whole
> > Ericsson
> > > > handsets are better featured than the equivalent Nokia, and
> considerably
> > > > more stable. As far as usability goes, you're absolutely right, it
is
> > > > personal preference. The one area that Nokia used to excel was SMS
T9
> > > > input, but the new T610 puts all current Nokia's to shame in that
> > respect,
> > > > so take your pick.
> > >
> > > I did. I stick with Nokia because they are superior as far as I'm
> > concerned.
> > > The day Ericsson come up with something to match the Nokia I might
look
> at
> > > them but only then.
> > >
> >
> > Ericsson (and others) have already brought out superior products, but
> people
> > tend to get used to a product (Nokia in this case) and seem to have to
> take
> > the irrational "bash everything else" approach. As you said before
> though,
> > everything comes down to personal opinion with what you like & dislike,
> but
> > doesn't factor when comparing features.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > --
> > >>> Unlock Your Phone's Potential <<<
> > >>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<<
> >
> >
>
>