Nextel in Israel?

[Andrew Jackson]

I remember seeing a few years back in an article about a bombing in
Israel there was a picture of a police officer, and on his hip appeared
to be a i1000. Anyone know if they offer it internationally?

[posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

[Marcelrf@yahoo.com]

Yes it was called Mirs now it's Rebranded as Amigo

http://www.amigo.co.il/html/amigo_frame.asp?page=login/login.asp



Andrew Jackson wrote:

> I remember seeing a few years back in an article about a bombing in
> Israel there was a picture of a police officer, and on his hip appeared
> to be a i1000. Anyone know if they offer it internationally?
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

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[Marcelrf@yahoo.com]

It was Mirs now Rebranded as Amigo

http://www.amigo.co.il/html/amigo_frame.asp?page=login/login.asp



Wayne Redick wrote:

> "Andrew Jackson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I remember seeing a few years back in an article about a bombing in
> > Israel there was a picture of a police officer, and on his hip appeared
> > to be a i1000. Anyone know if they offer it internationally?
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
>
> An Israeli visitor I know showed me 2 weeks ago his i90 which runs on the
> Amigo network in Israel,with PTT also.AFAIK Nextel itself is not in Israel.
> Wayne

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[Stuart G. Friedman]

Nextel, however, has iDEN roaming in Israel if that is your question:

http://www.nextel.com/services/worldwide/frequent_traveler.shtml

> wrote in message ...
> Yes it was called Mirs now it's Rebranded as Amigo
>
> http://www.amigo.co.il/html/amigo_frame.asp?page=login/login.asp
>
>
>
> Andrew Jackson wrote:
>
> > I remember seeing a few years back in an article about a bombing in
> > Israel there was a picture of a police officer, and on his hip appeared
> > to be a i1000. Anyone know if they offer it internationally?
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
>
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[Jay]

Only the i2000 and 2000+ are GSM 900 capable.
> wrote in message ...
> There is no IDEN roaming in Israel. The iDEN phone becomes a conventional
900 MHz
> GSM phone. No PTT, No Internet, No Group call.....
>
> Read the fine print......
>
> "Includes guaranteed all-digital cellular phone service, Nextel Direct
Connect®,
> Wireless Web (for use in U.S. only), Voice Mail, and text and numeric
messaging."
>
>
http://nextelonline.nextel.com/NASApp/onlinestore/Action/ViewPhoneDetailAction?phoneSKU=i2000plus&redirect=false&oldPathID=0&oldStepID=0
>
> "Stuart G. Friedman" wrote:
>
> > Nextel, however, has iDEN roaming in Israel if that is your question:
> >
> > http://www.nextel.com/services/worldwide/frequent_traveler.shtml
> >
> > > wrote in message
...
> > > Yes it was called Mirs now it's Rebranded as Amigo
> > >
> > > http://www.amigo.co.il/html/amigo_frame.asp?page=login/login.asp
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andrew Jackson wrote:
> > >
> > > > I remember seeing a few years back in an article about a bombing in
> > > > Israel there was a picture of a police officer, and on his hip
appeared
> > > > to be a i1000. Anyone know if they offer it internationally?
> > > >
> > > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular
groups]
> > >
> > > --
> > > "NEXTEL-1 IT'S NOT JUST NEXTEL"
> > > Note The New address
> > > Subscribe to Nextel-1: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/NEXTEL-1
> > >
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> > >
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> > > The Complete Resource for Wireless Homeland Security.
> > > Subscribe to WFHSG: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/WFHSG
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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>
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>
>
>
>

[Stuart G. Friedman]

That's true, but there is iDEN in Israel. Israel implements not only GSM,
but also iDEN. They used to also have American style TDMA, but I think that
company went to GSM. If you have international roaming active, you can use
a Nextel iDEN phone in Israel.


Stu

"Jay" > wrote in message
link.net...
> Only the i2000 and 2000+ are GSM 900 capable.
> > wrote in message ...
> > There is no IDEN roaming in Israel. The iDEN phone becomes a
conventional
> 900 MHz
> > GSM phone. No PTT, No Internet, No Group call.....
> >
> > Read the fine print......
> >
> > "Includes guaranteed all-digital cellular phone service, Nextel Direct
> Connect®,
> > Wireless Web (for use in U.S. only), Voice Mail, and text and numeric
> messaging."
> >
> >
>
http://nextelonline.nextel.com/NASApp/onlinestore/Action/ViewPhoneDetailAction?phoneSKU=i2000plus&redirect=false&oldPathID=0&oldStepID=0
> >
> > "Stuart G. Friedman" wrote:
> >
> > > Nextel, however, has iDEN roaming in Israel if that is your question:
> > >
> > > http://www.nextel.com/services/worldwide/frequent_traveler.shtml
> > >
> > > > wrote in message
> ...
> > > > Yes it was called Mirs now it's Rebranded as Amigo
> > > >
> > > > http://www.amigo.co.il/html/amigo_frame.asp?page=login/login.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Jackson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I remember seeing a few years back in an article about a bombing
in
> > > > > Israel there was a picture of a police officer, and on his hip
> appeared
> > > > > to be a i1000. Anyone know if they offer it internationally?
> > > > >
> > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular
> groups]
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > "NEXTEL-1 IT'S NOT JUST NEXTEL"
> > > > Note The New address
> > > > Subscribe to Nextel-1:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/NEXTEL-1
> > > >
> > > > "NEXTEL2 FOR iDEN SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS"
> > > > Subscribe to Nextel2: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/NEXTEL2
> > > >
> > > > "WIRELESS FORUM HOMELAND SECURITY GROUP"
> > > > The Complete Resource for Wireless Homeland Security.
> > > > Subscribe to WFHSG: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/WFHSG
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > --
> > "NEXTEL-1 IT'S NOT JUST NEXTEL"
> > Note The New address
> > Subscribe to Nextel-1: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/NEXTEL-1
> >
> > "NEXTEL2 FOR iDEN SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS"
> > Subscribe to Nextel2: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/NEXTEL2
> >
> > "WIRELESS FORUM HOMELAND SECURITY GROUP"
> > The Complete Resource for Wireless Homeland Security.
> > Subscribe to WFHSG: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/WFHSG
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Jason McGehee]

There are many non Nextel iden services through put the world. I know Korea
has one as well.

Jason

[Marcelrf@ryahoo.com]

Like I said only the i2000+ is supported..............
http://www.nextel.com/services/worldwide/coverage/country_list.shtml


"Stuart G. Friedman" wrote:

> If you have international roaming active, you can use
> a Nextel iDEN phone in Israel.
>
> Stu

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[Marcelrf@yahoo.com]

Rather than go back and forth ............................

I emailed AMIGO and they confirm the i2000+ is the only phone currently supported
on their system. They did indicate they plan to support other phones but their
roll out is 1 yr. behind the USA. The also shared some other interesting info.
AMPAL is a 25%-33 % owner of AMIGO. Some of AMPAL's historical SEC filings
indicte they were planing on implementing international roaming as late as 2002.
Also it Looks like they are having some regulatory issues in their country also
concerning tariffs. Just an FYI-



"Stuart G. Friedman" wrote:

> The page you linked to also says that you need an i2000 to roam in Canada
> and Mexico if you read it in that fashion.
>
> What you need to be able to decode (which is horribly written there) is the
> reference to "internet ready phone" at the front of Argentena, Brazil,
> Canada, Israel, and Mexico. Peru, and the Phillipines.

[Stuart G. Friedman]

I here you, but am completely confused.

Here is a link to a Motorola site stating that Amigo is IDEN:

http://idenphones.motorola.com/iden/international/where_to_buy.jsp?country=us#

Here is GSM World's list on Israel:

http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_il.shtml

Note the absence of MIRS/Amgio.

Here is a link on the Amigo page which shows their phones:

http://www.amigo.co.il/html/amigo_frame.asp?opened=About&page=why_amigo.html

Note the presence of the i90, i95, i30sx, etc. These are not GSM phones.
They are the same models sold by Nextel.

I don't doubt you, but am completely perplexed. Perhaps, some additonal
logic is necessary for roaming
on the Amigo which isn't available on the other phones. It doesn't really
seem to make a great deal of sense, since Nextel phones can clearly roam on
the Mike network in Canada which is not affiliated with Nextel, but then
again, the US and Canada are so interconnected, that Nextel might have given
Mike special access to its databases.


Stu


> wrote in message ...
>
>
> Rather than go back and forth ............................
>
> I emailed AMIGO and they confirm the i2000+ is the only phone currently
supported
> on their system. They did indicate they plan to support other phones but
their
> roll out is 1 yr. behind the USA. The also shared some other interesting
info.
> AMPAL is a 25%-33 % owner of AMIGO. Some of AMPAL's historical SEC
filings
> indicte they were planing on implementing international roaming as late
as 2002.
> Also it Looks like they are having some regulatory issues in their country
also
> concerning tariffs. Just an FYI-
>
>
>
> "Stuart G. Friedman" wrote:
>
> > The page you linked to also says that you need an i2000 to roam in
Canada
> > and Mexico if you read it in that fashion.
> >
> > What you need to be able to decode (which is horribly written there) is
the
> > reference to "internet ready phone" at the front of Argentena, Brazil,
> > Canada, Israel, and Mexico. Peru, and the Phillipines.
>
>

[Stuart G. Friedman]

Strike "here" insert "hear"
\
"Stuart G. Friedman" > wrote in message
y.com...
> I here you, but am completely confused.
>
> Here is a link to a Motorola site stating that Amigo is IDEN:
>
>
http://idenphones.motorola.com/iden/international/where_to_buy.jsp?country=us#
>
> Here is GSM World's list on Israel:
>
> http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_il.shtml
>
> Note the absence of MIRS/Amgio.
>
> Here is a link on the Amigo page which shows their phones:
>
>
http://www.amigo.co.il/html/amigo_frame.asp?opened=About&page=why_amigo.html
>
> Note the presence of the i90, i95, i30sx, etc. These are not GSM phones.
> They are the same models sold by Nextel.
>
> I don't doubt you, but am completely perplexed. Perhaps, some additonal
> logic is necessary for roaming
> on the Amigo which isn't available on the other phones. It doesn't really
> seem to make a great deal of sense, since Nextel phones can clearly roam
on
> the Mike network in Canada which is not affiliated with Nextel, but then
> again, the US and Canada are so interconnected, that Nextel might have
given
> Mike special access to its databases.
>
>
> Stu
>
>
> > wrote in message ...
> >
> >
> > Rather than go back and forth ............................
> >
> > I emailed AMIGO and they confirm the i2000+ is the only phone currently
> supported
> > on their system. They did indicate they plan to support other phones but
> their
> > roll out is 1 yr. behind the USA. The also shared some other interesting
> info.
> > AMPAL is a 25%-33 % owner of AMIGO. Some of AMPAL's historical SEC
> filings
> > indicte they were planing on implementing international roaming as
late
> as 2002.
> > Also it Looks like they are having some regulatory issues in their
country
> also
> > concerning tariffs. Just an FYI-
> >
> >
> >
> > "Stuart G. Friedman" wrote:
> >
> > > The page you linked to also says that you need an i2000 to roam in
> Canada
> > > and Mexico if you read it in that fashion.
> > >
> > > What you need to be able to decode (which is horribly written there)
is
> the
> > > reference to "internet ready phone" at the front of Argentena, Brazil,
> > > Canada, Israel, and Mexico. Peru, and the Phillipines.
> >
> >
>
>

[Marcelrf@yahoo.com]

>

It has nothing to do with compatibility. I think it is more a database issue but
I'm just guessing, the rep did not say why THEY did not support them.

>
> "Stuart G. Friedman" > wrote in message
> y.com...
> > I here you, but am completely confused.
> >
> > Here is a link to a Motorola site stating that Amigo is IDEN:
> >

>
> > I don't doubt you, but am completely perplexed. Perhaps, some additonal
> > logic is necessary for roaming
> > on the Amigo which isn't available on the other phones. It doesn't really
> > seem to make a great deal of sense, since

A lot of things don't make sense at nextel. I was just passing on the info.

> Nextel phones can clearly roam
> on
> > the Mike network in Canada which is not affiliated with Nextel, but then
> > again, the US and Canada are so interconnected, that

> Nextel might have
> given
> > Mike special access to its databases.

It's called VLR Visitor Location Register-units are tracked via fixed geographic
Interconnect Location Areas (ILAs).These areas are defined by the system
operator based on the coverage area of theEBTS sites. Location data is stored
in the VLR. These records contain current information like most recent location
area and the feature provisioning table. The VLR is always integrated with the
MSC and the VLR accesses the HLR to downloadsubscriber information as
MSs move into the VLRs coverage area.

> >
> >

Yep, They have a roaming agreement and Nextel owns (or did) a portion of Clearnet.

MAY 22, 1997

Clearnet Announces MikeTM Roaming Across The USA - With No Roaming Charges Mike
Green CardTM service lets clients use their all-in-one Mike phone on North
America's largest
guaranteed all-digital network for the same airtime rate they get at home

http://www.telusmobility.com/about/press_room/releases/may2297usaroam.html

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

May 1997

Nextel expands North American coverage by announcing a roaming agreement with
Clearnet in Canada. The agreement expands roaming capabilities for Nextel
customers
to Canada on Clearnet's iDEN network, which covers: Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa,
Windsor, Hamilton, Quebec City and Londo

http://www.nextel.com/about/corporateinfo/company_history.shtml

[HAMMER]

WOW. Did you copy that out of the iDEN systems manual?


> wrote in message ...
> >
>
> It has nothing to do with compatibility. I think it is more a database
issue but
> I'm just guessing, the rep did not say why THEY did not support them.
>
> >
> > "Stuart G. Friedman" > wrote in message
> > y.com...
> > > I here you, but am completely confused.
> > >
> > > Here is a link to a Motorola site stating that Amigo is IDEN:
> > >
>
> >
> > > I don't doubt you, but am completely perplexed. Perhaps, some
additonal
> > > logic is necessary for roaming
> > > on the Amigo which isn't available on the other phones. It doesn't
really
> > > seem to make a great deal of sense, since
>
> A lot of things don't make sense at nextel. I was just passing on the
info.
>
> > Nextel phones can clearly roam
> > on
> > > the Mike network in Canada which is not affiliated with Nextel, but
then
> > > again, the US and Canada are so interconnected, that
>
> > Nextel might have
> > given
> > > Mike special access to its databases.
>
> It's called VLR Visitor Location Register-units are tracked via fixed
geographic
> Interconnect Location Areas (ILAs).These areas are defined by the system
> operator based on the coverage area of theEBTS sites. Location data is
stored
> in the VLR. These records contain current information like most recent
location
> area and the feature provisioning table. The VLR is always integrated with
the
> MSC and the VLR accesses the HLR to downloadsubscriber information as
> MSs move into the VLRs coverage area.
>
> > >
> > >
>
> Yep, They have a roaming agreement and Nextel owns (or did) a portion of
Clearnet.
>
> MAY 22, 1997
>
> Clearnet Announces MikeTM Roaming Across The USA - With No Roaming Charges
Mike
> Green CardTM service lets clients use their all-in-one Mike phone on
North
> America's largest
> guaranteed all-digital network for the same airtime rate they get at
home
>
> http://www.telusmobility.com/about/press_room/releases/may2297usaroam.html
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>
> May 1997
>
> Nextel expands North American coverage by announcing a roaming agreement
with
> Clearnet in Canada. The agreement expands roaming capabilities for Nextel
> customers
> to Canada on Clearnet's iDEN network, which covers: Toronto, Montreal,
Ottawa,
> Windsor, Hamilton, Quebec City and Londo
>
> http://www.nextel.com/about/corporateinfo/company_history.shtml
>
>